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72: Ultimate guide to UK visas

• Jordan Giberson

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Whether you're planning to work, study, start a business, or join family, choosing the right visa is the first (and most important) step.

In this episode, we’ll break down the different visa options available, from the Skilled Worker Visa to the Youth Mobility Scheme, and even options for entrepreneurs and families. I’ll share insights from my own experience moving to the UK, plus tips to help you navigate the visa process smoothly.

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I'd suggest you do your own research and make your own decision on this. But I do think that if you have the opportunity, this visa is great to live in the UK for a bit. And test out whether you'd enjoy living here on a longer-term basis or find a different visa option while you're here and just kind of test things out. Hey, my name is Jordan Giberson. I'm a Texas girl living and thriving in London. The best thing I've ever done? Moving abroad, hands down. And I'm passionate about helping others do the same. Are you curious about finding a job abroad? You're in the right place, friend. I'll teach you the tried and true secrets of how to make moving abroad a reality for you and how to live a fulfilling life once you get there. We'll cover topics like choosing the best visa for you, how to get a job offer in another country, how to get over your fear of moving abroad, and how to live a life you love once you get there, this is The Move Abroad Podcast. Hello, and welcome to another episode of the move abroad podcast. I am super excited for today's episode because today we're talking about UK VISAS, so I fell in love with the UK back in 2017, whenever I was on a study abroad and I was in London for only four days, basically. And I fell in love with London and I said, I'm going to move here someday. And I didn't think that I really meant it, but you know, a few years later, a couple of years later, I ended up making it happen. So in 2019, I ended up moving to the United Kingdom and I have been here several years now. I've been here for over five years. So I obviously like it a little bit. If I've. You know, chosen to live here for five years. So, I love the UK. I think it's a wonderful place. I love London so much. I feel so lucky to be able to live here. And I feel like a lot of people who listen to the podcast have also considered moving to the UK. I've spoken to several of you. Who've talked about, Weinsberg to the UK, and or London. So if this is you within this episode is perfect for you because today we're going to be diving into all the different types of visas that you could get in the United Kingdom so that you can move over here from the U S or whatever country you are looking to move from. so we'll go ahead and dive into today's episode. Oh, and I wanted to mention that there is a guide that goes along with this episode. So if you want to see everything written down and a guide that you can read over later and look at all the details. Then that will be at jordangiberson.com/ukvisas. So you can go to jordangiberson.com/ukvisas, or you can click on the link that's in this podcast description. So go check that out and get it downloaded so that you can read, and see all the visas and all the information about it along with this episode. So with that, we'll go ahead and get started with the episode. So, if you are looking to move to the United Kingdom, you have to have a visa. If you're looking to live here and work here. so there's six type of visas, that I would kind of categorize them in. So there are work visas, there's a start a business visa. There is study visas, family visas, tourist visa, and there's other visas. So I'd say there's kind of six different categories that I've kind of put visas into. So our first category that we're going to be talking about is work visas. So the number one and most common visa type is the skilled worker. Visa in the United Kingdom. So this is for people with a job offer from a UK based company that holds a sponsorship license. So the UK company has to have a sponsorship license and you can actually go, look up the companies that can sponsor you. I have linked to that in the guide that I talked about, which again, you can find that on the link on the podcast description jordangiberson.com/ukvisas, so I did have the link there, but, or you can just Google it online. you can look up companies who sponsor skilled worker visas. So basically the job. Must meet specific salary and skill level requirements. If you want to move to the UK and be employed, this is more than likely the visa that you're going to get is the skilled worker visa. So for this visa, you need to find a UK employer who will sponsor you. Sponsoring basically means that the company tells the UK government that they are responsible for you and they will pay you to work in the UK for their company. If you decide to work for a different company while you're in the UK, then that new company will need to sponsor your VISA. So you can, like I said, find the list of companies who can sponsor your skilled worker visa. And whenever I was applying for jobs in London, I knew that I was going to need to find a new company to work for because my previous employer said, oh, we've been working, living in the UK and working here and building the company here. But actually we're going to move the whole company over to Italy. So you will need to find a new job. So I, I really needed to find a new company to sponsor me in the UK. And whenever I did this, I had that list of the companies who can sponsor a skilled worker visa on one side of my screen. And I had LinkedIn on the other. Side of my screen as I was applying. And every time I found a company that I was interested in. I would control F in the list of companies who can sponsor and make sure that that company was on the list of companies that could sponsor, because I knew that they would be more likely to sponsor my visa. And instead of finding a company that didn't have the ability to sponsor already, I just knew that it would be an extra step and I'd have to convince them extra to hire me and go through the process. So I knew that if a company could already sponsor me, then I was a lot more likely to get hired. So that's what I did whenever I was looking for a job. For the skilled worker visa. This is a visa that you can have for up to five years. Normally companies will sponsor you for two to three years and then they will extend the visa as the visa, expiry date comes closer. So for example, I've had a mini, skilled worker visas and. I, I think I had three years that I was sponsored. whenever I've had this in the past, I think it's always been three years, but sometimes companies will just do for two years and then as it gets closer, six months towards the expiry date, then they will look into renewing the visa. It's super easy to do. This visa does lead to permanent residency in the UK. So you can get permanent residency after holding this visa for five years. So if you do want to be in the UK for a long period of time and get your permanent residency, which is the equivalent of a green card in the U S, then you can get it after five years and then after another year, then you can have dual citizenship. So after 6 years of living in the UK, you can have dual citizenship. So you can have a British passport and an American passport or whatever other passport you have, as long as the country that you have your first passport with allows for dual citizenship, which the United States does allow for this. So you can be a United States citizen and have your passport and still be a full citizen and also get your UK citizenship as well. The cost for a skilled worker visa is about 710 pounds. As of the recording time of this episode. Plus an additional 1035 pounds per year for the, health surcharge. So for two to three years of working on this visa, the costs will basically be 2,780 pounds to, 3,800 pounds, basically. So if you're thinking about how much this is and us dollars, basically add another 25% to that cost. And that's basically what it is in us dollars. But the good news is that most companies cover all the costs. So this is the only visa where somebody else will pay for it, which is absolutely incredible because, we don't want to be spending money that we don't have to. So accompany, whenever they sponsor you, they will be paying for this cost and full, and they will also be paying for a lawyer. To go through the process for you and make sure that everything goes smoothly. So with the skilled worker visa, it is nice because the company will take care of the visa for you. So as long as you have a company that wants to sponsor you, then you're golden and they'll take care of the process, pay for the visa. And it's easy peasy from there. So again, I would say the skilled worker visa is the most common visa. Of all my friends that live in London, this is the visa that they all have every once in a while. They'll have a different type of visa, but this is the most typical work visa that you'll get. Another work visa that you could potentially get is the global talent visa. This is for leaders or potential leaders and academia research arts and culture and digital technology. This is a great visa option. If you qualify. I actually thought about switching to this visa from the skilled worker visa that we had just talked about. as you have a lot more freedom with this visa, with the global talent visa. So you can move to any company without needing to be sponsored. You can decide to start a business instead of working for a company, or you can just be unemployed for a bit. If you want to, it just provides you a lot more freedom and control. Whereas with the skilled worker visa, you are tied to the company that is sponsoring you. So, if you hate your life there and you really want to leave, then you have to find another company that's willing to sponsor you. Whereas with the global talent visa, you have total control over which company you want to work for. And it doesn't even have to be in digital technology. So for the global talent visa, you can get it in these certain categories. So there's three categories. It's academia. and the research arts and culture, and then digital technology. So I was going to get it in digital technology. but I decided to just stick with my current plan of sticking with my skilled worker visa, because with the global talent visa, you do have to pay for it yourself. You are totally sponsoring yourself. Whereas with the skilled worker visa, the company is sponsoring you. So they pay for it. And I just decided that I wanted to stick with this company until I get permanent residency because my company also will pay for permanent residency. Whereas again, with the global talent visa, I have to sponsor myself as in pay for my own visa. And I also have to pay for permanent residency. Whereas, you know, in my current company they'll pay for all that and pay for the lawyer fees. So I was like, ah, I'm just gonna, you know, stick with this plan and stay with this company. so I decided on this route with the skilled worker visa, but I do think that global talent visa is an amazing option where you do have a lot more freedom. So it's just kind of choosing what you care more about having freedom and control or having someone pay for it. But you're kind of tied to that company, which is what the skilled worker visa. And obviously you have to fit into a certain category. So you do have to fit in this, you know, academia and research category, which is within science, medicine, engineering, humanities, and social science. So those are some of the areas. That fall within the academia and research category or the second category is arts and culture. So this is, you know, arts, dance, literature, music, theater, visual arts, architecture, fashion, design, film, and television. So this can include, you know, anime post-production and visual effects. And then the last category is digital technology. So this was the one that I fall under. So this is financial technology or FinTech gaming, cybersecurity, artificial intelligence, and things like that. So I would have fallen under the digital technology category. So you might not fall into any of these categories, but if you do, then you're in luck because if you want to move to the UK, you could sponsor yourself. So for digital technology, you would have to work in digital technology for at least a year. Because you have to have three references that can basically write a letter of recommendation for you. under the digital. Total technology category. So that's what I was thinking about doing, but again, I decided to stick with my current plan of doing the skilled worker visa. For the global talent visa, there's actually two different types of categories. So I know I mentioned our categories of, you know, academia, research arts and culture, digital technology, but there's also a couple other categories, which is, whether you're very experienced in your career or if you're starting out. So you. If you're just starting out, you will have to have the visa for, a five-year period of time before you could get permanent residency. But if you're more experienced in your role and you're more of like a leader in your role, then you don't have to have the visa as long to get your permanent residency. So just something to think about whenever you're looking into the global talent visa. And then the cost for this visa is 716 pounds plus 1035 pounds per year, and then the eligibility. So you have to get endorsed by a recognized UK body. So basically whenever you put together your application, so sticking with our digital technology example, I would put together my application, to a recognized UK body to say, Hey, I deserve to have this global talent visa, within digital technology, because I've been working, you know, in software for you. Over a year and I have three, these three recommendation letters and, you know, I qualify for XYZ reasons. So you can look up all of the different eligibility requirements for the global talent visa, which again, there's a link to the global talent visa and all the information in the guide that I talked about. but you know, you can look it up online and figure out, you know, what those eligibility requirements are to make sure that you do qualify. But I do think this is a really great visa option. If you are wanting to work in the UK, any fit in one of those categories, So there are a couple other work visa categories that I wanted to mention today. So one is health and care worker visa. This is for qualified healthcare professionals to work in the UK. So if this is you, then you're in luck getting a job and a visa and healthcare is pretty easy as we always need more people on healthcare in the UK. For this visa, you can have it for up to five years and it's super cheap. It costs 284 pounds, but a lot of times the hospital or clinic or whatever it is, will sponsor your visa costs. And then the eligibility, you have to have a job offer and health or social care. and you have to be proficient in English, but it is pretty easy to get this visa because again, the UK needs a lot more healthcare professionals. So if you are in healthcare, then you're lucky you can easily move to the UK and easily get a job if you work in healthcare. and within that realm, The other reason that I wanted to touch on is the temporary work visa. This includes visas for, you know, charity workers, creative workers, seasonal workers, et cetera. This is actually the first visa I had in the UK. This is a visa that you would do if you would have an internship, for example, or some sort of short term contract. So the duration would be 12 to 24 months, and it depends on the visa type and the category and why you're moving to the UK. And then it costs 298 pounds. Plus 1035 pounds. Per year, additionally, for the health. Surcharge. so this is a great visa. if you've recently graduated and you're want to get an internship, and then transition into a full-time role, I think that would be a really good fit in the door in the UK. So that is another work visa that I wanted to touch on, but you can't have this for a super long time. You can only have it for a year, two years, max, I was only able to have it for one year. so it really depends on why you're moving to the UK. But I would say that's another really great visa option in terms of work visas. So I'd say those are the main work visas and the UK for Americans. There is a skilled worker visa. There's the global talent visa. There is the health and care worker visa and the temporary work visa. So we will be touching on a lot of other visas. There's some, you. Anomalies as with many things in life. So we will touch on other visas, but I'd say these are the main work visa categories. The next type of visa. So our second category of visas that we'll be talking about is the business visas. So there is a visa called the innovator founder visa. This visa is for those that want to set up a business in the UK, you can have this visa for three years and you can extend it whenever it expires, or you can apply for permanent residency after holding this visa for three years, which is amazing because with a lot. Of other visas, you have to have it for at least five years. Whereas with this visa, you only need it for three years, which is really great. The cost is 1,191 pounds. Plus 1035 pounds per year for the health surcharge size of really common charge for a lot of VISAS you had to pay for that healthcare surcharge. So, it'll be, you know, A little over 2000 pounds per year. if you're paying for this visa, like let's say that's just one year. So you just have to be that flat fee of 1,191, and then you have to pay 1035 per year, basically. So the eligibility is that you have to have a business that is something that's different from anything else on the market. And you have to get endorsement from an approved, endorsed body. So I do have a link to the endorsed body. So you can learn more about what that means and a link to the innovator, founder visa. So you can understand more of the eligibility requirements and what the application process looks like and what the endorsed body really means and more detail. But if you want to move to the UK and start a business, Then this is the route that you have to go on. There used to be different visa categories. They used to be like an investment visa and other business visas, but they've really just. Narrowed it down to this one. So if you want to move to the UK and start a business, the innovator founder visa is going to be your best friend. So, this is the visa for you. So again, I have the link to learn more about this visa and the eligibility requirements, but if you are looking to start a business, then this is going to be the visa. So innovator, founder, visa. The next category. Evie says that I wanted to touch on his student visas. This is a really great way to get a foot in the door in the UK. If you're wanting to move here. I know a lot of people that have gone to university in the UK and that was their foot in the door to be able to start working in the UK. Whenever I was thinking about moving to London, I had a lot of people tell me to become a student and to get, you know, another master's degree or an MBA. And I had just graduated with a master's degree and I was so done with school I was like, absolutely not. I'm not doing that. But if this is you, if you've ever thought about getting a degree, then a student visa could be a really, really great option for you. So this is for students, you know, age 16 or older that are enrolled in a recognized educational institution in the UK. So there's a lot of different programs that you could go after for a student visa, but a really common one is to get your master's degree or an MBA. So the duration would be for up to five years and it costs 490 pounds plus 776 pounds per year for that, extra charge. It's not as expensive as other visas, I think because it's a student visa. And so, you know, as a student, normally, you know, you're taking on loans and you know, they try to cut you a break for student visas. So in order to be eligible for the student VISAS, so you have to be accepted into a program, you have to be proficient on English and you have to have some financial requirements. They want to make sure that you're not going to be homeless and be able to support yourself so that you're not using, government resources or becoming homeless basically. So I think that again, a student. Lisa is a really great option to get a foot in the door in the UK. And I know a lot of people where this was their route in order to move to the UK and kind of get a foot in the door. And what's great about a student visa is you can actually work for a company for up to 20 hours a week, so you can work part-time for a company and then you hopefully get full-time sponsorship after that and work for them full time. So I know a lot of people that have done that route. So that's something to kind of look into and to think about depending on where you're at in life and what you're interested in. So a student visa could be a really great option, too. And alongside the student visa. If you graduate, you get a degree in the UK. International students can get a graduate visa after they've graduated from a UK institution, so they can stay in the UK after graduating and work for up to two years without needing a company to sponsor them. So, this is really great because you don't require an employer to sponsor you, but it can be a really great pathway to get a skilled worker visa later. So for thinking about the easy steps, to be able to move to the UK, if you get a student visa and you work for a company part-time, you know, up to 20 hours a week, And then after that you get a graduate visa and then you can continue to work for that company for up to two years because you are sponsoring your own visa. And then after that, you know, you've really proven yourself. You've had experience in the UK working for a UK company. Then you can see if that company will sponsor your skilled worker visa. But if not, then once you've had this experience in the UK, it's a lot easier to get full time. Sponsorship and get a skilled worker visa from another company. I have worked for a company in the UK with the skilled worker visa, but then I was able to get sponsorship from another company a lot easier because I had already been working in the UK. I didn't have to prove to someone that I was going to move here, that I was in it for the long haul. I had already proven that I had lived here for a couple years, that I was already living here that I could start working immediately that I didn't have to move over from the U S so I think that it, you know, made it a lot easier and there wasn't. That extra barrier of entry for someone, you know, interviewing me and taking a bet on me basically. So I think this could be a great stepping stone is the student visa graduate visa, and then getting a skilled worker visa afterwards. But you might be able to get a skilled worker visa after being a student or just jumped straight into being. getting a skilled worker visa just in general, you don't have to take these steps, but I do think that this could be an easier, stepping stones to get what you want.'cause. I know a lot of people that have done this, but I also, you know, don't think that it's a hundred percent necessary. You can get sponsored, but it is a bit harder. This would be an easier route in order to get sponsored. And for this graduate visa, you can have this for up to two years, or if you got your PhD, then you can have it for up to three years and it costs 822 pounds. And then you have to pay another 2000 basically, which covers you for the two year period of time. So it's going to be almost 3000 pounds to pay for the graduate visa. The next category of visa is that we're going to be talking about is the family visas. So the first one I wanted to mention is the spouse or partner visa. A lot of people, whenever they talk about moving to the UK. They talk about, oh, just marry a British citizen. And then you can get your sponsorship or you can live there. So I think it's kind of funny. It is a bit of a joke, but sometimes that does happen where people fall in love with a British citizen and they are able to get a visa through this. I have known people that have met someone. They fallen in love with them. And then they've gotten there. You know, visa this way. So it is definitely possible. So the spouse or partner visa is for individuals joining their British citizen or a settled partner in the UK. You have to be in a civil partnership or married, or have been living together while in a relationship for at least two years. So there is a bit of wiggle room here, depending on your lifestyle and, with the person that you're in relationship with. So the duration is for two years and nine months that you can have this visa and then it is extendable and you can get permanent residency after five years. The cost of this is 1800 pounds plus 3000 pounds. So for the full two years and nine months, and then the eligibility is the proof of the relationship. And then you have to have a combined income. I've at least 29,000 pounds and be able to speak English proficiently. So that is the spouse or partner visa. And then the other visa category for family visas is the UK ancestry visa. If this is you, then congratulations. That is absolutely amazing and a great way to be able to move to the UK. So this is for Commonwealth citizens with a UK born grandparents. So, if you have a grandparent who was born in the UK, or, if you're in the U S and you have a family member, a parent, or a grandparent that was born in the UK, then you can get this visa, which is incredible. So you can have this visa for five years and then you can apply for permanent residency after five years, it's pretty cheap. It's 600, 35 pounds. And then the eligibility is you have to prove your UK ancestry. You have to have the ability to work and financial independence. So those are a couple of the family visas that are available, the spouse or partner visa, and then the UK ancestry visa, which if you qualify for one of these, then that is amazing. I think that that's, you know, a great opportunity and, if you're able to do that, then I think that's awesome. Now the next visa category that I want to talk about is the tourist visa. Now hear me out. It would be remiss not to at least mentioned this visa option. This is a great visa option for those that want to visit for up to six months. This is not a solution. If you're wanting to move abroad longterm, but it can be a great option if you want to move to the UK for a short period of time or to test, if you want to indeed move there more permanently. So most Western countries don't need to apply for this visa. I can just show up in the UK and stay for up to six. Six months. This includes you American. So, this is just the standard visa option. The duration for this visa is up to six months and you are legally allowed to look for jobs in the UK while on a tourist visa, you cannot work or study long-term on this visa, but you can look for jobs if you want to. So technically working remotely while in the UK on a visitor visa is not explicitly permitted. The UK is visitor visa guidelines, specify that visitors can not do paid or unpaid work for a UK company or as a self-employed person, unless you're doing a permitted paid engagement or event. I think the guidelines for working remotely for an American company are a bit murky. I'd suggest you do your own research and make your own decision on this. But I do think that if you have the opportunity, this visa is a great opportunity to live in the UK for a bit. And test out whether you'd enjoy living here on a longer-term basis or, to find a different visa option while you're here and just kind of test things out. This visa, obviously does not lead to permanent residency. It is a tourist visa, but I do think it's a great opportunity to live here for a little while. You know, you're still able to live here for up to six months. And if you're able to work remotely, if you are a freelancer or if you work for an American company where you can work remotely for a temporary amount of time, I think it's an incredible opportunity. I have a girlfriend of mine that is American. And she works in New York for an American company. And she came over to London for a few weeks and was able to work remotely. So she didn't live here for up to six months, but honestly, she came back so many times it might've been. Several months after she added up all her trips to come visit here. So, it is a good option if you are, you know, lovely UK and just want to test it out for a little bit. and if you're able to work remotely or if you're taking some time off of work or whatever that looks like and apply for jobs while you're here and interview in person, I think that it would be a really great opportunity depending on your risk level and, how long you're able to take off of work, or if you're able to work remotely in some capacity, then I think this is a great option to get a foot in the door and just kind of like test out the waters basically. So that is just the standard visitor visa. And then two other visas that I wanted to mention today are the high potential individual visa HPI. So this. Visa basically gives you permission to stay in the UK for at least two years. To apply. You must have been awarded a qualification by an eligible university in the last five years. So I do have a link to the eligible university list. So if you want to get that link than it is, and this guide that I've talked about, or you can Google it online as well. The duration is for two years, so it's not extendable and does not lead to permanent residency. The duration for this visa is two years and it is not extendable and does not lead to permanent residency. As in, if you do this visa and you live here for two years and the UK, and then you get another visa for three years, even though you've been living in the UK for five years, you still don't qualify for permanent residency because these first two years don't count towards permanent residency. So you have to have a different visa for at least five years. Normally. So that is a bit of a bummer about the VISA but it is a great foot in the door. Especially if you only want to live in the UK for a year or two. Then this is a great visa option, especially if you, went to one of these eligible universities. I will say whenever I was looking into visas a few years ago, I thought that I would qualify for this visa, but my university is not on the list, which is super frustrating. But if your university is on the list, then congratulations, this is a really great visa option. So the cost for this is 1032 pounds, and then it's another 1035 pounds per year for this visa. So the high potential individual or HPI visa, great option in our category of other visas. And then the last Visa that I wanted to mention is the youth mobility scheme visa. This is not for Americans. This is for, other people, unfortunately. this is for young people, aged 18 to 30 or 18 to 35. Depends on the country that you're coming from. And this visa is for people from specific countries to live and work in the UK for up to two years. So you can have this Visa for two years and it is not extendable and does not lead to permanent residency. It costs about 300 pounds and then another 776 pounds per year. And for the eligibility, you have to have been from a certain country. So it's available for nationals from countries like Australia, Canada, Japan, and New Zealand. So that's why, whenever you come to London, there are so many people from Australia, Canada, Japan. There's not as many people from Japan that I've met at least, but I meet so many Australians and new Zealanders. And then I meet a Canadian from time to time and a Japanese person from time to time. But a lot of people from Australia and New Zealand, for sure. So this visa again is not for Americans, unfortunately, but if you're from one of those countries, then that is really amazing. And you could get that VIsa so those are all the visa categories that I wanted to touch on today in the UK. So if you want to move to the United Kingdom, it's best. If you fall within one of these visas, you got to pick and choose one of them. there are a few other types of visas, but they're really very, very niche circumstances. So more than likely you will need to fit into one of these categories that I talked about today. So if you want to get more information on. All the visas. I have links to all of the different pages on the UK, his website, to learn more about each visa so that you can learn more about the exact qualifications and eligibility requirements and the process and the exact costs, because the costs do change from time to time. And the process changes from time to time. So you do need to make sure you double check everything on the UK's government websites. And then one thing that would be amazing for you to try is if you want reassurance, you've chosen the best visa for you. There's actually a test that you can take to figure out which UK visa you'll need to get, which is an amazing resource that UK government has provided. So I have a link to grab this test on the guide that I've talked about. It's on the last page. So, if you want to learn more than this test could be a great option to kind of figure out your next steps and make sure that you've chosen the best. Visa for you. And then if you want to learn more about life in the UK and how to move there and how to build a life abroad that you love in the UK, then there are some other podcasts episodes that I've talked about, in regards to the UK. So there is episode 30. Why I love living in London and why you might love it too. There's also episode 41. Why you might decide to leave the us just to list a couple. So I've listed out some episodes that I thought might be helpful for you. If you're wanting to move abroad soon. that is all in the guide. So if you want to snag the guide, if you go to jordangiberson.com/ukvisas, then you can go. Snag that free guide. and then other than that, That is it for me for today's episode. Thank you again so much for listening to another episode of the Move Abroad Podcast. I will catch you here again next week. Same time, same place. I'll catch you then.