142: How to Make Friends When You Move Abroad: My Best Tips for Building a Community

One of the biggest myths about moving abroad is that friendships will happen naturally once you arrive. In reality, making friends abroad as an adult in a brand new country is one of the hardest parts of the move. And almost nobody plans for it.

In this episode I am sharing my best tips for intentionally building a community abroad so your new country actually starts to feel like home.

Here is what we are covering:

• Why community matters more than most people realize and why it often determines whether someone stays abroad or moves back home
• Why feeling lonely at first does not mean you made the wrong decision
• The simple rule that completely changed how I approached making friends abroad
• How to find your people through shared interests and consistent routines
• Whether to focus on local friends or other expats and why the answer is both
• The best apps and platforms for making real in-person connections abroad
• Why becoming a regular somewhere is one of the most underrated strategies for building community
• How to be the one who makes the first move even when it feels uncomfortable

Making friends abroad is not about becoming best friends with everyone you meet. It is about consistently putting yourself in situations where connection can happen. And over time your new city will start to feel less like a destination and more like home because of the people you meet along the way.

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Loneliness can make even your dream destination feel totally isolating what am I going to do with my stuff? Figuring out housing. All those things are really important, but in order to feel a sense of belonging and to thrive abroad and build a life that you love, which is really the goal, right? It's all about relationships Hey, my name is Jordan Giberson. I'm a Texas girl living and thriving in London. The best thing I've ever done? Moving abroad, hands down. And I'm passionate about helping others do the same. Are you curious about finding a job abroad? You're in the right place, friend. I'll teach you the tried and true secrets of how to make moving abroad a reality for you and how to live a fulfilling life once you get there. We'll cover topics like choosing the best visa for you, how to get a job offer in another country, how to get over your fear of moving abroad, and how to live a life you love once you get there, this is The Move Abroad Podcast. hello, and welcome to another episode of the Move Abroad podcast. Thanks for joining me for today's episode. So today, I wanted to talk about something that I think is overlooked whenever we think about building a successful life abroad that we love. I feel like a lot of people's fears whenever they think about moving abroad, a lot of it comes down to not being happy abroad. It comes down to worrying that moving abroad is a mistake, which I've said before on the podcast, I have yet to meet a person who says that they regret moving abroad. But I think, people want to feel like they're at home. They want to feel like moving abroad was a good decision. How do you move abroad and feel content? How do you make sure that you're making the right choice, and that you feel settled once you get there, so that you can thrive once you're abroad? And one of the top things, one of the top tips I could give you to ensure that you will build a successful life abroad, that you will feel settled, that you will feel at home in the place that you choose to move abroad to, and that number one tip that you need to do to feel settled is to build community. It is super important to build community, because I believe that it's the number one thing that you can do to feel a sense of belonging, right? In order to feel a sense of belonging somewhere, you have to have community. You have to feel like you're a part of something. And I think that it really matters more than you think, building community. And I think that the reality is that a lot of people discover that making friends as an adult, especially in a new country, is really challenging. You can probably see this in your own life. Whenever you were younger, it was really easy to build a community, to have friends, because you were involved in maybe sports or maybe in the band or, whatever that was for you. You're going to the same classes as many people your same age every single day. You're showing up every single day to the same Spanish class, the same math class. And in college, you have a million different organizations that you can be a part of. And then you get to the real world, and you get a job, or you start building a business or whatever that looks like for you, and all of a sudden it becomes a lot harder because, some of your really good friends might have moved to other cities, and you might have found yourself needing to build new friendships, and you probably found it a bit more challenging than you did whenever you were younger. You might be moving abroad to somewhere where you know nobody. That was me. I moved abroad. I did not know one person whenever I moved abroad, and I had to build up friendship circles over time. So I do think that it is one of the hardest parts of moving abroad, and not in the fact that it's some weird mystery thing like visas where we have to figure it out, but it's just building friendships. It sounds simple, but I do think that building friendships, whether you're building a friendship somewhere in the United States because you moved to a different city or your friends moved away, or if you're building a new friendship circle abroad, it's just more challenging whenever you are an adult. So today we're talking about how to intentionally build a community abroad so that your new country can start to feel like home, where you start to feel a sense of belonging, and I think ultimately it will make you be able to feel like you are thriving whenever you do move abroad. Whenever we think about moving abroad and some of the steps to take and how to make it happen and how to build a life abroad, a lot of times we think about visas, we think about jobs or how we'll make our income. We think about housing. We think about healthcare and budgeting. But a lot of people don't plan for their social life abroad, and community often determines whenever someone stays abroad and feels like they belong, But I think the truth is that building community is super important. It is vital to feel like you have a sense of belonging, and I think that it often determines when you feel like you're thriving, whenever you feel like you have a sense of belonging. Because loneliness can make even your dream destination feel totally isolating. Having just a few close friendships can completely change your experience abroad for the better. So building a life abroad, it's not just about logistics. Are logistics important? What am I going to do with my stuff? What am I gonna do with my car? Figuring out housing. All those things are really important, but in order to feel a sense of belonging and to thrive abroad and build a life that you love, which is really the goal, right? It's all about relationships But I would say we need to expect that friendships take time. I think, sometimes we might feel like we should be settled once we move abroad within a few weeks, but the reality is that building friendships, it takes a long time. It's a slow development, and everyone might have established routines whenever you move abroad, and adult friendships do require intentional effort, but it's definitely possible to make friends abroad. So let's talk a little bit about the potential emotional rollercoaster whenever you do move abroad. You might feel a lot of excitement during the first few weeks and not really feel like you need friends because you're just driving on adrenaline. Everything's so new and so exciting, and you might feel like, "Wow, I can't believe I did this. This is incredible." And I think you might start getting to the this feels harder than I expected stage, or starting to gradually build familiarity and routines over time, and I think that's really normal. But I think feeling lonely at first, it is normal, and I think it does take a little bit of time. I do remember when I first moved abroad, I didn't have any plans over one of my first few weekends, and I just took myself out on dates I remember taking the Tube into Waterloo in London, like central London, and I remember walking along the river and calling my parents to check in and say hello, and I remember going into a museum by myself and going to have lunch by myself and grabbing a coffee somewhere. I expected to, spend the weekend by myself and to spend a few weekends by myself. I did. I was a bit lonely at the beginning, but I had to be really intentional about making friends, and I was really lucky to be able to form a friendship with a girl group that was really open to having a new person join me. So I did get lucky in the first few weeks to find a friendship group that I did build that friendship within that group and with a few girls at the beginning, which was great, but I did have to be intentional. I did have to reach out and make plans and initiate, and we'll get to that in a little bit, or let's get to it now. One of my biggest tips for you whenever you move abroad is to say yes more than you normally would. If you're new, it's your job to create opportunities to build friendships. I would advise for you to accept invitations, even if it's something that you wouldn't normally do, even if you're really exhausted after your first week or two, even if it doesn't sound like something that you would feel really excited to do, accept invitations. I had my cousin one time gave me this advice, and I think it was such great advice because she told me So my cousin had told me, "Accept the first invitation that comes to you because there might not be a second invitation." And I thought that was really helpful advice because I remember not wanting to do the thing that I was invited to do, but she had said, "Say yes, especially if it's a new friendship, because if you don't say yes the first time, you might be forgotten." A lot of times they have their routines, they have their people, and if you get a first invitation, you should say yes, because there might not be a second invitation. And I think I've seen that happen before, and I think it's absolutely true and really great advice. And I also had another friend give me advice saying that... 'Cause I was like, "Oh, like I don't know if I wanna go to this, see this movie with these girls because I just saw the movie two days ago. I'd just be sitting through the movie. We're not really gonna be talking that much anyways." But she was like, "Well, what's more worth it to you? Would you rather sacrifice seeing the movie for a second time, or would you rather sacrifice the potential that they don't invite you again?" And I was like I'd rather go and build a friendship." 'Cause she was like, "What's more important to you? Building the friendships and spending time with them, or, like not seeing the movie again because you just saw it?" And I was like, "Well, for sure, like I value building my friendships more than I value maybe seeing a movie for a second time that I didn't really want to." So yeah, I think that those are just a couple really great pieces of advice that I've been given before, and maybe something that you could implement as well whenever you move abroad. So accept invitations potentially attend after-work drinks, go to local festivals, try fitness classes, visit community events, explore neighborhood markets. I recently went through a friendship group change. One of the challenging parts about moving to London, and, if you've ever lived in New York or have heard about it, it's a really similar situation, where it's a pass-through city. A lot of people end up living there for a year or two, and then they end up moving away. And so I had built up a really strong friendship group, and then all of a sudden the friendship group changed. A lot of people were from New Zealand, actually, and they ended up moving back to New Zealand, or I think one girl moved to Australia. And so a lot of people ended up moving to other places, and then the other girls that were in the group, like one started dating somebody and dropped off the face of the earth. And, it was just like the dynamics change, and basically all of a sudden, I didn't have a friendship group anymore, and so I had to build new friends. And some ways that I did this was I actually at the time I was dating, and I went to a few singles events. I actually went to one single event every single month so I did that. I also would go to one networking event, like a business networking event. I would go to one of those every month as well, and I found those on meetup.com, so maybe something that you could look into whenever you move abroad. I also went to church, and I went to after church hangouts. There was, like, a building that people would meet up after church, and they would grab coffee and stuff. I would go to that every single week to potentially meet people. I was really trying to build up friendship groups. I would say yes any potential plans. The point is it's good to be open being really consistent and being at the same place every single week. I think whenever you're in something really consistently I would highly recommend you go to a language class that is one of the best ways to learn the local language, first of all, because if you're moving somewhere, I don't think that you need to know the other language. I think that you can learn it once you're there. But you do need to learn the local language. If you are going to be living somewhere, if you do wanna feel a sense of belonging, you need to speak the common language, even if a lot of people speak English as well. So I would recommend going to a language course where you can go in person and meet people, and probably a lot of other people are in the same boat as you, where they also are trying to build new friendships. They also have probably just moved there. So I think that would be a really great place to meet people. So I think it's just joining communities that are built around common interests Because the easiest friendships are going to start with something that you have in common with the person, especially if it's something where you see them on a regular basis because of the thing that you're doing together. So an example of that would be, like, running clubs. If you're going to a running club, you're probably seeing the same people every single week. You're seeing them every single week consistently without saying "Oh, I met somebody once, and now we have to plan something constantly to build up the friendship." It's awesome that you have the consistency of a running club that probably meets up every single week, or a hiking group. I had an old flatmate that joined a hiking group, and that's how she met her boyfriend, actually, and they've been together for years because they had a commonality. They had similar interests, and she's met a lot of good friends through her hiking group as well. Book clubs could be great. My sister's in a book club in California because her and her husband just moved there recently, and they've built up friendships, or she has built up friendships because of the book club and building relationships and friendships with the girls in that group. Or maybe it's a, a sports league, like a recreational sport. Maybe you're really into tennis. My boyfriend's really into tennis, and so he has gone to join tennis matches and go to see matches and go to the tennis clubs to start to meet people and to network and to be able to play tennis where other people are also really good at tennis and where they really love it, and so they have that common interest and to build friendships that way. And so that's what he's done. I have another friend that's in London, and she's made friends in her dance class. She took a, an adult ballet class, and she has made friends through that dance class. Or maybe it's a volunteer organization. Maybe you're really passionate about volunteering, and you join a volunteer organization where people have similar mindsets. Maybe you join a faith community that you're interested in. Maybe it's a photography group. Maybe it's a co-working space for remote workers. I've done that, too. I love WeWorks I used to go to WeWorks all the time. I have not been going as often, but I used to go to WeWork all the time, and a lot of times there's people in WeWorks that are part of businesses and, they're all kind of friends with each other because they all work on the same project or the same business. They also do hangouts in the evenings as well. So sometimes I've, joined in on after-work drinks or after-work games, or there's just different activities that they put on sometimes. So that's how I've made friends. So basically, these are just some examples, but I think I would just think about what do you care about doing? What are things that you would like to do anyways? And build communities around those common shared interests, especially if it's something where you can go every single week and have the consistency of seeing somebody to start building those friendships. So I think instead of asking yourself, "Where do I make friends?" Ask, "What activities would I genuinely enjoy doing every single week?" Because those friendships are going to happen a lot more naturally whenever you're consistently around the same people Another tip for building your friendships is to use technology intentionally. Technology can help. It should not replace real-life interactions, but it can help you to find the people that might be a good fit for you. So Meetup, I mentioned Meetup before. I've used it several times to go to different events, like specifically for business networking events, and they've always been really interesting, and I have met a couple of really great people at those groups. So Meetup is a really great resource. Facebook Groups are also still a thing, so maybe you find somebody, you make a connection in Facebook Groups. There's also WhatsApp community groups. I actually joined an all-women's WhatsApp community group probably two years ago, and I did meet one girl. I met a lot of people, but I met one girl that I really liked who's from Australia in that group, and we ended up building up a friendship. So WhatsApp community groups could also be a thing. Maybe even local Reddit communities could be a potential. Eventbrite Bumble BFF. I've had a friend that met a really good friend of hers through Bumble BFF whenever she moved to a new city. So I think that there are a lot of options where you can use technology to meet up with people. I even met a really good friend from LinkedIn. I looked up people from my university that also lived in London, and she also was in marketing, and I reached out to her to see if she could do a call with me to understand her visa process and how she moved to London. And then we talked on the phone, and I was like, "Wait, I really like you." I didn't say that. That's weird. But we ended up connecting, and I was like, "Oh, it'd be really great to meet up with you when we're in London." She's "Yeah, I'd love that," and we ended up building a friendship because I reached out to her on LinkedIn. Or maybe you find somebody that posts about their life on Instagram, and you're like, "Oh, it'd be awesome to connect with that girl that's been posting about her life in Madrid, Spain, and, like, whenever I move there, I'll connect with her." So I think that there are so many ways to connect with people online, so you could use technology as a tool to be able to connect with people and meet people in person. I think another great tip is to become a regular somewhere. I think it's one of the easiest ways to feel connected. It's through familiarity. So to become a regular at a neighborhood cafe. I have a neighborhood cafe that I go to all the time, and I'm constantly running into the same people that are also bringing their laptops, that are also working from there remotely, and it's awesome because they're always there and I'm always there, and it's "Oh, hey." I'll walk over and say hi and chitchat a bit because whenever you start to see the same faces, it's it's a process. Like you see them the first time, and you like start to notice a pattern that they're always there as well, and then you like start to make eye contact and smile, or you might say "Oh," "I've seen you here quite a few times. Do you live around the neighborhood?" And you just spark up a conversation, And that's happened to me a couple times in my local neighborhood cafe. You could also become a regular at your gym and meet people that way at a yoga studio, at maybe the farmers market, or maybe a dog park if you are moving abroad with a dog, or maybe your local bar or pub, maybe at a co-working space like I mentioned. So I think over time you'll start to recognize familiar faces like I said, and small interactions can start to become friendships over time. So I think becoming a regular somewhere could be another great tip for building friendships abroad I also think that being the one who makes the first move is super important. A lot of times we wait for someone else to initiate, but you can be that person. Even if you have not traditionally been the person who's hosted or brought together groups, I think you have to be the person that's reaching out because other people have their routines. They probably have their friends. They've been living abroad for a long time. But you have to be the person that reaches out. You have to invite someone for coffee. You have to suggest brunch after workout class. You have to be the one to organize the picnic, or to start the WhatsApp group, or to host a game night, or to plan a weekend day trip maybe. So don't assume that people aren't interested if they're not reaching out to you. A lot of times other people are also just waiting for someone else to ask. I've seen this so many times, where we feel like other people should be inviting us, or if we hung out with someone one time, that they should be initiating the next time and be inviting us to hang out with their friends. But a lot of times it takes time to pop up constantly and be that person that's "Oh, yeah, like I should invite Jordan because like she's been coming to this thing all the time, and she should also come to join us for like coffee after our yoga class in the morning." Constantly being there and being the one who makes the first move, especially when you're new because it's not that other people don't like you or don't want to invite you. I think sometimes we just get in our routines, like we have our people, and we don't maybe think about it. But whenever you're the one that's moving abroad, you have to be the one that makes the first move. So be intentional about being the person that makes the first move I would also recommend that as you're building up friendships, you are going to have times that you are alone. That you don't actually have plans for the weekend or all day on Saturday, that you can make plans. Maybe you decide that on Saturday morning, I'm gonna go to the market and get some, fresh fruits and vegetables. Maybe on Sunday I'm gonna go for a walk in the park. Maybe I'm gonna do a weekly fitness class, or maybe I'm gonna go to my favorite coffee shop or the local bakery, or have an evening walk around my neighborhood. You need to have routines that can create familiarity and start to make that place feel like home while you're also building up friendships. Because like we said, building up friendships does take time. But to make sure that you're not just staying home all weekend because you didn't have plans with a group or with a friend, you can take yourself out on dates. I did that with myself. I took myself out on dates I still to this day struggle with going to dinner by myself. To me, that's like the one that's like a little bit too weird. But I've gone to like wine bars by myself. I've gone to brunch by myself so many times, or taking myself out to lunch or going on a walk. Like even this morning I went for an hour and a half long walk in nature with my coffee. And I had some banana bread from my local coffee shop that I go to all the time, and it was the best morning ever. You have to create routines that help you feel rooted and like you feel a sense of belonging in the place while you're also building up friendships. I think that's also really important Because the truth is you are going to have moments where you feel lonely when you move abroad. It's natural. I've gone through that. I've had periods of loneliness. I've had periods where I've had so many friends abroad. I've had times where I've met somebody really awesome, and in my head I was like, "You're really awesome, but I am, like, tapped out." I have so many friends right now. I have a lot of friendship groups. I have a lot of people in my life, and I just don't have capacity for more friendships, which maybe that sounds really bad, but there have been times where I'm like I just have really good friends. I have a really good friendship group, and I still feel like I don't have time to catch up with this person and that person and that person, but I wanna maintain those relationships. And there have also been times where, because London is a pass-through city and there's constantly people moving in and out, that I have not had that many friends, where I've had seasons of loneliness and I'm like, what the heck? I've been living in London for four or five years, at the time, and, like, why am I lonely? Like, why does it feel like I just moved here? I'm just starting to build friendships again. I've gone through that cycle a lot of times living here, which I think is one of the hardest parts about living in London specifically. I think that wouldn't happen in maybe some other cities around Europe that you might move to. But yeah I've definitely had periods of loneliness, so I'd say just give yourself grace. I think building a community, it takes time. You might feel lonely. You might miss your friends back home. You might, wonder if everyone else has it figured out or, just feel ah, what's wrong with me? Like, why aren't they also inviting me to hang out? But don't take it personally. Many people that move abroad experience the same feelings, so just keep showing up, keeping intentional about going out and making new friends because you are gonna have times where you do feel lonely, but those are the times where you have those routines that you can do And another thing that I've talked about before and I think is really interesting whenever we think about building community abroad, and that is building relationships with both locals and other expats, so other people that have moved abroad that are not from that country. Because I think You know, you might move abroad and think, "I didn't move abroad to be friends with other Americans," because that was me. I remember meeting a girl at this community group, and I had a friend that introduced us, and she was South African, and she introduced me to this girl. And she was like, "Hey, you guys should connect. Y'all will be great friends. You're both from Texas, and you just moved to London." And I was like, "No." In my head I was like, I didn't move to London to be friends with other Americans. I just came from a country full of these people, I wanted the adventure. I wanted to meet people from South Africa, from New Zealand, from Australia, from other European countries. And I did do that, and I specifically focused on that whenever I first moved abroad. But over time I was like, eh, actually it's good to have both. It's good to be friends with local friends because they you they can help you learn the culture. You want to move abroad to learn your language skills, to learn more about just the country and the people that are actually there, and to discover places that tourists might never find, or to, feel more connected to your new home abroad. So I think that's why local friends can be great, and I do have local friends, but I also have other expat friends. And over time I have valued having both, but I think over time I valued my expat friends even more, because they understand what you're going through. A lot of times you have a similar mindset and a similar personality, because you have both moved abroad, it takes a certain type of person to do that. They can share practical advice. A lot of times, they've grown up maybe similarly to you. So with other Americans, I feel like we get along like that. We just click really quickly, and they just have a similar mindset, or there's a familiarity with them that feels really comforting, it's like a piece of home almost. So I love being friends with other Americans, but I also have met really great friends from South Africa. South Africans I feel are really similar to Texans in their personality and way of thinking, and their personalities, and I just, I love South Africans. I've also had a lot of New Zealand friends randomly. And I've had friends from all over. I've had friends from many, many different countries. So you know, I think that it's good to have a mix of both expat friends and local friends, because I think that it just will have you more of a balanced support system, a more balanced community, and I really do think that it's important to have both. And one thing that I've also said before on the podcast, I think that it's super, super important to move to a place where you do have expat community, where the locals are used to other Americans living there or other people from other cultures, it just changes the dynamic a little bit. And I think that it is really important as you're considering countries and cities to move abroad to that you do make sure you're choosing a place that has a mix of local people and expats. So in conclusion, whenever we're thinking about building community abroad, it's not just about becoming best friends with every single person you meet. It's about consistently putting yourself in situations where connection can happen. Friendship is rarely instant. It takes time to grow through repeated time together, like repeated interactions with shared experiences and, small moments over time. It just takes time to build friendships and I think that whenever you choose your country and your city abroad, it will start to feel less like a destination and more like home because of the people that you meet, because of the connections that you have. And that's why this conversation is so important, and I think that it deserves an episode, and it deserves your focus, your attention, and your intentionality Because like I said at the beginning of the podcast, you're going to feel a sense of belonging. You're going to feel like you're succeeding abroad, like you're thriving, like you're happy whenever you have community and you feel that sense of belonging. It's super, super important. I think that the two things, if you could just focus on two to make sure that you have a successful life abroad where you feel really happy, where you feel content, is to build community and make sure that you're choosing the right home. You want your home to be a safe space, and choosing the right neighborhood and the right home where you feel like you wanna go home and that is your safe space. That is really important and fundamental to building a life abroad that we love, as well as building community. Because the people that you build friendships with it's really important to, to have that sense of community, to have that sense of belonging. And, it's important to have that abroad. And we haven't really touched on this in this episode, but I also think it's important to maintain your friendships back home, and that's something that I was really intentional about whenever I moved abroad. I knew I could not keep my friendships with every single person, and I was really intentional about the ones that I kept the relationship with. And I feel like they're just as strong as that relationship is just as strong now as it was whenever I moved abroad, and maybe even stronger for some friendships. And I think it's important to maintain those relationships. But you don't wanna move somewhere and just have relationships and community that's over the phone. You need to have in-person community, in-person relationships. And that might sound really obvious, but I think sometimes at the beginning, you're in a new space, and you have to be intentional to build community. And I think sometimes, we go to what's familiar and, just having conversations with our family over the phone or, over a video call with, your friends and family back home, and that's super important to maintain. But also make sure you're getting out there, you have to get out there and put yourself out there to build relationships, and that's, again, how you're going to feel a sense of belonging and like you're a part of the community. You want your new city abroad to feel like home, and it will start to feel like home over time, but I think the key in doing that and for that to happen faster is to build community. So anyways, I hope that this conversation was helpful, that you have a few tips or that maybe you have been a little bit enlightened, that you're like, "Man, I wasn't even thinking about building friends abroad or choosing a city that has other expats, but maybe that is something that's really important that I can, move somewhere where I thrive, and, I have a successful move abroad." So I do think that this is important to have a successful move abroad and to find and to build a life that you love there. And that's my goal. I want you to move abroad, and I want you to go there and live a life that you love and to build that life abroad that you love, and I think that this is key, and I think it's worthy of an episode and a conversation. So I hope that you reflect on this a little bit and think about ways that you can start building community whenever you move abroad so that your vision set to the future and what that life will look like moving abroad. Because I think that the steps to move abroad and all the practicalities are super important, like your visa and housing and, finding how you'll make- your income and choosing the city, like all those things are really important to move abroad, but some of these emotional things are also really important. And I think visualizing yourself making friendships, how will I do that? What will that look like? I think that having that mindset and kind of pondering about those things, thinking about those things help us to emotionally shift our gaze to making that a reality. And that's really the goal is to help you make that a reality for yourself to actually move abroad and not just dream about it. So if you're still trying to decide where you should move abroad to or where is the best fit for you, you might consider taking the quiz. It's a two-minute quiz about which European city you should move to that's the best fit for you and your personality and your goals. So if you're interested in taking the quiz, there's a link that's at the bottom of the podcast description, so you can go grab it there. Or you can also go to jordangiberson.com/quiz, and you can take the quiz there. Maybe that would be a helpful tool for you as well as we're thinking about choosing the best city and finding somewhere that has, a strong expat community. So anyways, I'll leave you with that, but thank you so much for listening to another episode of the Move Abroad podcast. I will catch you here again next week, same time, same place. I'll catch you then.